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		<title>By: Ron Smith</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, proclaiming the Word, administering baptism and the Supper, caring for the spiritual and physical well-being of the saints, and bringing in the lost are kingdom work. Building bridges, delivering medical supplies to hospitals, installing water heaters, defending clients in court, holding public office, and having friends over for dinner are “creation work&quot;...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Since all creation is Jesus&#039; Kingdom, I don&#039;t see how that dichotomy can be defended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, proclaiming the Word, administering baptism and the Supper, caring for the spiritual and physical well-being of the saints, and bringing in the lost are kingdom work. Building bridges, delivering medical supplies to hospitals, installing water heaters, defending clients in court, holding public office, and having friends over for dinner are “creation work&#8221;&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Since all creation is Jesus&#8217; Kingdom, I don&#8217;t see how that dichotomy can be defended.</p>
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		<title>By: Echo_ohcE</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2239</link>
		<dc:creator>Echo_ohcE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the justification for celebrating the liturgical calendar?

I think there&#039;s liberty to call worship services outside of Sunday, and surely our respective denominations have answered that question. I really don&#039;t think this is Bruce&#039;s point.

I think his point is, WHY should we call Christmas a Christian holy-day, or Easter or Ascension day, when the things especially remembered on those days are properly remembered and preached about every Sabbath?

As Godfrey says, &quot;Let&#039;s take the Christ OUT of Christmas.&quot; I love him for it.

E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the justification for celebrating the liturgical calendar?</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s liberty to call worship services outside of Sunday, and surely our respective denominations have answered that question. I really don&#8217;t think this is Bruce&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>I think his point is, WHY should we call Christmas a Christian holy-day, or Easter or Ascension day, when the things especially remembered on those days are properly remembered and preached about every Sabbath?</p>
<p>As Godfrey says, &#8220;Let&#8217;s take the Christ OUT of Christmas.&#8221; I love him for it.</p>
<p>E</p>
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		<title>By: Easy as Sunday Morning? &#171; The Confessional Outhouse</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2238</link>
		<dc:creator>Easy as Sunday Morning? &#171; The Confessional Outhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as Sunday&#160;Morning?    So after a recent post about under-realizing the Ascension, a joking comment about the possibility of an Ascension Day service (which happens to by definition [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as Sunday&nbsp;Morning?    So after a recent post about under-realizing the Ascension, a joking comment about the possibility of an Ascension Day service (which happens to by definition [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zrim</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2233</link>
		<dc:creator>Zrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,

Here is some stuff from St. Hyde. (Note that he criticizes St. Hart in the first link. Ouch. But it&#039;s hurts so good, as the man once said.)

http://dannyhyde.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/28/not-holy-but-helpful-thoughts-on-the-church-calendar.html

http://dannyhyde.squarespace.com/journal/2007/12/14/calvin-and-the-rpw-in-zephaniah.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>Here is some stuff from St. Hyde. (Note that he criticizes St. Hart in the first link. Ouch. But it&#8217;s hurts so good, as the man once said.)</p>
<p><a href="http://dannyhyde.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/28/not-holy-but-helpful-thoughts-on-the-church-calendar.html" rel="nofollow">http://dannyhyde.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/28/not-holy-but-helpful-thoughts-on-the-church-calendar.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://dannyhyde.squarespace.com/journal/2007/12/14/calvin-and-the-rpw-in-zephaniah.html" rel="nofollow">http://dannyhyde.squarespace.com/journal/2007/12/14/calvin-and-the-rpw-in-zephaniah.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2232</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, 

We do not have regualr mid-week services. We have reguylar mid-week theology classes for those interested, because I am commanded to teach (Eph 4; pastoral epistles). We occasionally have worship services on days &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; than the Lord&#039;s Day because I am commanded to preach the Gospel (Eph 4; pastoral epistles) and because the elders are commanded to oversee the church as it is manifested in the local congregation (Acts 20; pastorals; Heb 13.17). Our Church Order *applies* this by stating in Article 37 that &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Consistory shall call the congregation together for corporate worship twice on each Lord&#039;s Day. Special services may be called...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

We cannot merely &lt;i&gt;invoke&lt;/i&gt; the RPW. We also have to &lt;i&gt;apply&lt;/i&gt; it. I see no command in Scripture that limits worship to the Lord&#039;s Day only. I do see commands in Scripture, however, that call the minister to preach the Gospel, the elders to oversee the congregation, and the congregation to submit to the elders. 

FWIW, if you were in my congregation and felt conscience-bound to stay home when the congregation was called to worship on Good Friday or Ascension Day, and forego an preached exposition of Scripture, the Lord&#039;s Table, corporate prayer, and fellowship with the brethren, on the grounds that it is sinful to participate in those things on anything other than the Lord&#039;s Day, I would bear with your scruples, but not bring you under discipline, so long as you did not try binding the consciences of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, </p>
<p>We do not have regualr mid-week services. We have reguylar mid-week theology classes for those interested, because I am commanded to teach (Eph 4; pastoral epistles). We occasionally have worship services on days <i>other</i> than the Lord&#8217;s Day because I am commanded to preach the Gospel (Eph 4; pastoral epistles) and because the elders are commanded to oversee the church as it is manifested in the local congregation (Acts 20; pastorals; Heb 13.17). Our Church Order *applies* this by stating in Article 37 that <i>&#8220;The Consistory shall call the congregation together for corporate worship twice on each Lord&#8217;s Day. Special services may be called&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>We cannot merely <i>invoke</i> the RPW. We also have to <i>apply</i> it. I see no command in Scripture that limits worship to the Lord&#8217;s Day only. I do see commands in Scripture, however, that call the minister to preach the Gospel, the elders to oversee the congregation, and the congregation to submit to the elders. </p>
<p>FWIW, if you were in my congregation and felt conscience-bound to stay home when the congregation was called to worship on Good Friday or Ascension Day, and forego an preached exposition of Scripture, the Lord&#8217;s Table, corporate prayer, and fellowship with the brethren, on the grounds that it is sinful to participate in those things on anything other than the Lord&#8217;s Day, I would bear with your scruples, but not bring you under discipline, so long as you did not try binding the consciences of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce S.</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2231</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me re-ask the original question more directly. Do you hold a midweek service because it is commanded in scripture or because it is not forbidden by scripture? Or is there some third option?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me re-ask the original question more directly. Do you hold a midweek service because it is commanded in scripture or because it is not forbidden by scripture? Or is there some third option?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, I&#039;ll make it easier for you: Calvin (you know, &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; guy on the RPW [see his treatise, &lt;i&gt;The Necessity of Reforming the Church&lt;/i&gt;), did he preach in worship only on the Lord&#039;s Day, or on week days as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, I&#8217;ll make it easier for you: Calvin (you know, <i>the</i> guy on the RPW [see his treatise, <i>The Necessity of Reforming the Church</i>), did he preach in worship only on the Lord&#8217;s Day, or on week days as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rube, 

I know how the RPW works, thank you very much. Read my sentence again. It&#039;s Calvinistic, not Lutheran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rube, </p>
<p>I know how the RPW works, thank you very much. Read my sentence again. It&#8217;s Calvinistic, not Lutheran.</p>
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		<title>By: RubeRad</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2227</link>
		<dc:creator>RubeRad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not how RPW works.  You&#039;re supposed to ask &quot;Where is the command for what I&#039;m doing?&quot;, not &quot;I want to do something.  Is it forbidden?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not how RPW works.  You&#8217;re supposed to ask &#8220;Where is the command for what I&#8217;m doing?&#8221;, not &#8220;I want to do something.  Is it forbidden?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2226</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, 

&lt;i&gt;And how does this fit in with the RPW again?&lt;/i&gt;

And where is the command that the elders are only permitted to call the congregation to worship on the Lord&#039;s Day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, </p>
<p><i>And how does this fit in with the RPW again?</i></p>
<p>And where is the command that the elders are only permitted to call the congregation to worship on the Lord&#8217;s Day?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. I am starting to get it. It is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; on the Lord&#039;s day. And how does this fit in with the RPW again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. I am starting to get it. It is <b>not</b> on the Lord&#8217;s day. And how does this fit in with the RPW again?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce S.</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2224</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s a worship service on Ascension Day.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

So why would you ask Reuben if his church is canceling worship just this one day per year?

Run it by me one more time. What is an Ascension Day service?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s a worship service on Ascension Day.</p></blockquote>
<p>So why would you ask Reuben if his church is canceling worship just this one day per year?</p>
<p>Run it by me one more time. What is an Ascension Day service?</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Church bureaucrats have no sense of humor.&quot;

Well fine, I guess that isn&#039;t the vacuum I hear over there then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Church bureaucrats have no sense of humor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well fine, I guess that isn&#8217;t the vacuum I hear over there then.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2222</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hmm, apparently Episcos celebrate Ascension Day on Thursdays… (May 1 this year)&lt;/i&gt; 

You got it! And a lot of continental Reformed do too. We had our first one last year. Horton preached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hmm, apparently Episcos celebrate Ascension Day on Thursdays… (May 1 this year)</i> </p>
<p>You got it! And a lot of continental Reformed do too. We had our first one last year. Horton preached.</p>
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		<title>By: RubeRad</title>
		<link>http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/what-ever-happened-to-the-ascension/#comment-2221</link>
		<dc:creator>RubeRad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, apparently Episcos celebrate Ascension Day on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.io.com/~kellywp/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thursdays&lt;/a&gt;... (May 1 this year)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, apparently Episcos celebrate Ascension Day on <a href="http://www.io.com/~kellywp/index.html" rel="nofollow">Thursdays</a>&#8230; (May 1 this year)</p>
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