Who Wrote This?

UPDATED below

You know how it goes, you’re searching for one thing and you find something else. Well, I found this quote without even looking for it:

[T]he Reformed faith teaches the Lordship of Jesus Christ over all creation. We can’t imagine a Christian church that doesn’t hold to that teaching. But Reformed believers place a lot more emphasis on this teaching than many other Christians do. As a result, Reformed believers have invested a lot of their energy and resources in Christian education (Christian day schools, colleges, and seminaries), Christ-centered political/social action, and parachurch ministries to those in need.

Who wrote it?

Yep, we are in the outhouse my friends.

UPDATE: OK, I found this paragraph on the website of the Christian Reformed Church (CRC). It’s on THIS PAGE  titled “What is Reformed.” It follows a Plantinga quote but it’s most likely a paraphrase of something written by Robert De Moor, who is credited at the bottom of the page.

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11 Responses to Who Wrote This?

  1. But you guys are the air freshener!

  2. Rick says:

    Does that mean we are only masking the odor?

  3. Zrim says:

    I think I had this gentleman for a course at CTS. (I always cheat on these things.)

    Anyway, applications of correct doctrines like this reveal, I think, an ironically lower view of creation than higher. Is creation “very good” or isn’t it? And is Jesus sovereign over it or not? If answered in the affirmative then I have never understood Xian versions of creation. But I’ve always been a really slow learner. Maybe I need a Xian education.

  4. heldveld says:

    Creation was very good but only before the fall. Now men are totally depraved and the world cursed.

  5. Zrim says:

    held,

    That sounds like the classic confusion of “essence” and “condition.” In its essence creation has remained very good, although in its condition it is as you say.

    I’ll offer this quote to Rick’s:

    “When the Reformed Churches turn to history to begin to explain or mitigate the problem of sin and evil, we are following Scripture. The fact is that God created everything and everyone ‘good.’ The affirmation is terribly important. It was widely held in the medieval church that creation (including humanity) was inherently defective by virtue of its finitude. It was widely assumed that there is a sort of scale of being (think of a ladder) at the top of which is God and at the bottom of which is creation and what creation needs is ‘perfection,’ i.e., to move up the scale of being toward God. In this scheme, the fundamental human problem is not sin but finitude. Sin is regarded as a symptom of a more fundamental problem…

    “…The confessional Protestant view is that grace renews nature, that the latter was created good (and was, therefore, not defective) and has been corrupted or is put to corrupt use by virtue of sin. All human faculties (e.g., the intellect, the will, and the affections) are radically corrupted by sin. Because of the fall, by inclination, we think wrongly, we choose wrongly, and we love wrongly. It is only by grace that we ever come to think, will, or love rightly.

    “There is no question that humans are fallen and sinful. Rom 1-3 and Eph 1-2 (among other places) is abundantly clear about that. It is less clear that creation per se is fallen or sinful nor is it clear that creation or creational enterprises need to be redeemed, though evangelicals and transformationalists speak this way routinely. Creation is subject to futility (Rom 8:19-23) and is groaning to be released from the bondage to decay and to enter into the consummate state, but that is not quite the same thing as to say that creation is ‘fallen.'”

  6. David R. says:

    Sounds reminiscent of stuff I’ve read by Cornelius Plantinga (your post I mean).

  7. Rick says:

    Zrim,
    your quote reads like something an OH saint would write.

    Hmmm… 8 to choose from.

  8. sean says:

    “Creation is subject to futility (Rom 8:19-23) and is groaning to be released from the bondage to decay and to enter into the consummate state, but that is not quite the same thing as to say that creation is ‘fallen.’””

    And if you follow Kline’s reflection on this particular passage it may speak singularly to the creation’s groaning due to housing the bodies of saints as they wait their resurrection. It’s a cemetery scene. It wasn’t supposed to be that way.

    Sean

  9. Zrim says:

    Rick,

    Bingo.

    Plus, I picked up the Banner last night and now I think I take back my original guess. I think it may be the Banner’s editor instead of the CTS prof. You Dutchies all look the same, what with your names and all.

  10. Rana says:

    I thought of the OH peops when I read this last night. Guess who/ what?

    “All things, God created all things, and they were good. All things have fallen from that original goodness. Christ, who has redeemed all things, eventually will restore them. We aid the Spirit’s work of restoration by seeking to make all things better. ‘See, I am making all things new’ In our minds, that’s a promise -and a call.”

  11. Rana says:

    Rick, the suspense is excruciating … please. I can’t imagine anyone I have read to include all those institutions in that phrase.

    I could imagine that someone in the CRC made the Christian Ed comment, that Joe Moorecraft made the political comment, and so on, but who is behind the whole package comment? No clue.

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